Category: WLANPros Wi-Fi Design Class

Class of Wireless LAN Professionals Wi-Fi Design

387a Sesión de Tesos en Wi-Fi: WLANPros Wi-Fi Design [Wavelify]

387a Sesión de Tesos en Wi-Fi: WLANPros Wi-Fi Design [Wavelify]

This was session 387 of Tesos and Wi-Fi, a free wireless LAN professionals training class focused on teaching Wi-Fi design using all tools, this time using Wavelify. The session was led by Ferney who demonstrated how to create and populate a floor plan with walls, doors, windows, cable paths, access points, and other network infrastructure elements. Participants learned about drawing attenuation objects, placing access points with specific settings, creating cable trays, and generating design reports that include coverage analysis and material estimates. Ferney identified several areas for improvement in the software, including issues with object selection and copy-paste functionality, and noted that these feedback points would be shared with the development team. The session covered basic navigation between 2D and 3D views, object placement and properties, and optimization features, with plans to continue working on multiple floors and additional design elements in the next session.

386a Sesión de Tesos en Wi-Fi: WLANPros Wi-Fi Design [Wavelify]

386a Sesión de Tesos en Wi-Fi: WLANPros Wi-Fi Design [Wavelify]

The meeting focused on a training session for the Wavelify Wi-Fi design tool. Gurpreet shared several useful links and tools for teaching, including designmist.com, an MCS index table, a spectrum visualization tool, and the framesbucketlab.com for frame-by-frame analysis. Ferney demonstrated the WLANPros Toolbox, showing its various calculators and visualizers for Wi-Fi concepts. The main part of the session was a live demonstration of Wavelify, where Ferney showed how to scale a floor plan, place access points, configure their settings, and draw walls, attenuation areas, doors, and windows using different tools like the lasso and rectangle. He also showed how to create and modify 3D objects and how to copy and paste elements within the tool.

Chat Notes:

00:13:43 Gurpreet: https://design.mist.com/
00:15:14 Gurpreet: https://semfionetworks.com/tools
00:15:23 Gurpreet: https://learnwifi.siamwireless.com/lab/
00:15:41 Gurpreet: https://spectrum.potatofi.com/
00:15:55 Gurpreet: https://wifinomads.net/
00:16:04 Gurpreet: https://fintheman.github.io/wifi-tools/ssid-airtime-calculator.html
00:18:38 Gurpreet: https://frames.bitbucketlabs.com/
00:26:39 Ferney Muñoz: https://toolbox.wlanpros.com/

385a Sesión de Tesos en Wi-Fi: WLANPros Wi-Fi Design [Sidos Roaming, Wavelify, WLANPros Toolkit]

385a Sesión de Tesos en Wi-Fi: WLANPros Wi-Fi Design [Sidos Roaming, Wavelify, WLANPros Toolkit]

The session focused on demonstrating Wi-Fi troubleshooting and design tools, with Ferney showcasing the Sidos Wave device and its roaming app for capturing and analyzing client roaming events and packet captures. He also briefly introduced the WLANPros Toolbox and its educational features. The main part of the class was an initial walkthrough of the WavelyFi Wi-Fi design tool, where Ferney created a project, imported a floor plan, and discussed its features for drawing walls and planning networks. The conversation included updates on industry news, such as Tobias leaving HPE and potentially joining Ekahau, and general discussions about the state of various Wi-Fi vendors. Participants from different countries joined, and the class was informal and interactive.

Chat Notes:

00:35:17 Ferney Muñoz: https://toolbox.wlanpros.com
00:37:15 Fa Ba: This works somehow for free on Apple devices: https://apps.apple.com/de/app/ubiquiti-wifiman/id1385561119
Much better is:
https://apps.apple.com/de/app/noversight-wifi-analyzer/id1607838438

380a Sesión de Tesos en Wi-Fi: WLANPros Wi-Fi Design [Sidos Systems, warehouses]

380a Sesión de Tesos en Wi-Fi: WLANPros Wi-Fi Design [Sidos Systems, warehouses]

This was a Wi-Fi design class session focused on using Sidos design system, with Ferney leading the instruction. The session covered creating building designs from scratch, including adding walls, floors, slopes, and objects like racks and columns. Ferney demonstrated how to use Sidos unique copy-paste functionality with control keys to place objects precisely where needed, and showed the tool’s ability to export designs with different AP models (like Cisco 9120s versus Aruba 735s) while maintaining the same design layout. The class also explored interference visualization features, showing which APs were causing interference on the same channels, and discussed the differences between Sidos approach and other tools like Hamina. The session concluded with a demonstration of warehouse design using floor plans and discussion of object placement and attenuation settings.

Chat Notes:

01:13:22 Ashish Sharma: https://robinwifi.eu/tools/hamina-objects/
01:30:44 Ashish Sharma: Extreme AP5050D

378a Sesión de Tesos en Wi-Fi: WLANPros Wi-Fi Design [Sidos Systems]

378a Sesión de Tesos en Wi-Fi: WLANPros Wi-Fi Design [Sidos Systems]

This was the 378th session of the Wireless LAN Professionals Wi-Fi Design Class, focused on designing with SIDOS. Ferney demonstrated how to create multifloor building designs with holes in floors, showing the importance of properly defining floors before creating openings. The session covered adding access points using different antenna types, including omni and directional antennas, and explained how to configure channel plans and manage interference between APs. Key features discussed included the mini map visualization for seeing signal bleed between floors and the ability to select and move between different floor plans while keeping access points selected. The class also covered how to set up primary and secondary coverage using access points from the same floor to ensure proper redundancy. The session concluded with a review of the reporting capabilities in SIDOS, generating an PDF report showing AP locations, coverage areas, and interference analysis.

377a Sesión de Tesos en Wi-Fi: WLANPros Wi-Fi Design [Sidos Stadium Survey, Ekahau data loss and Sidos Building Design]

377a Sesión de Tesos en Wi-Fi: WLANPros Wi-Fi Design [Sidos Stadium Survey, Ekahau data loss and Sidos Building Design]

The first portion of this session discussed a Wi-Fi survey performed at BYU Stadium in Utah using Sidos, Hamina, and Ekahau. The survey was physically demanding roughly 13.3 km of walking and about five hours of survey time. The survey path was adapted to the stadium layout, generally moving horizontally across accessible seating rows and then changing levels rather than walking every individual row.

A significant observation from that survey was data reliability. According to the meeting discussion, the Ekahau survey experienced crashes that resulted in lost survey data and required portions to be walked again. Hamina experienced iPad crashes attributed to overheating, but when the app was reopened, the survey resumed from the last recorded point without losing the collected data. Sidos did not lose data during this particular survey.

The session was essentially about building an accurate physical model before doing the predictive Wi-Fi design. It covered floors, walls, windows, doors, attenuation objects, areas of interest, floor openings, vertical propagation and 3D visualization. The strongest technical lesson was that a Wi-Fi design needs to account not just for horizontal coverage but also for RF traveling vertically through floors and especially through open spaces such as atriums and mezzanines.
Hamina was regarded as more polished visually and easier for some building-modeling tasks, particularly complex structures such as stairs and slopes. Sidos, however, had several features especially the multi-floor mini-map visualization and vertical RF propagation views. Even though its design interface was considered less polished than Hamina, the RF visualization capabilities were viewed as extremely useful.

374a Sesión de Tesos en Wi-Fi: WLANPros Wi-Fi Design [Sidos Systems]

374a Sesión de Tesos en Wi-Fi: WLANPros Wi-Fi Design [Sidos Systems]

The session focused on using the SIDOS software for Wi-Fi design, specifically on drawing walls, doors, windows, and attenuation objects in a 2D and 3D environment. Ferney demonstrated the process of creating and modifying these elements, highlighting both the strengths and limitations of SIDOS compared to other tools like Hamina. Participants discussed the manual nature of drawing in SIDOS and shared tips for efficiency, such as copying and pasting objects. The session also covered creating multi-floor buildings, aligning floor plans, and visualizing access point coverage and radiation patterns. Technical issues with account access and software features were addressed, and the group explored the software’s capabilities for simulating real world environments.

Chat Notes:

01:25:22 Mark Zeigler: is there a place to import chairs / desks / furniture for Sidos?
01:41:50 Gjermund Raaen: I tested copy/backup with a building without simulated APs.
Export building and select a random AP
Rename the building with a better name (1.st backup)
Now you have a copy of the bulding and can work further on in case of future messups
01:43:25 Gjermund Raaen: 1 hour 23 minutes to WLPC Prague registration
01:57:04 alex wirz: I liked the AP 3d visualization
01:57:14 Zaur Nedashkovskiy: Btw they need to fix floor height m/ft when you add floors
01:58:03 alex wirz: I agree control v without having to look around is an awesome feature 😀
02:13:23 Larry: i think you need to select an AP for the mini-maps
02:20:14 alex wirz: what s the difference between green and black radiation patterns?
02:20:58 alex wirz: green looks like the -65 signal. so what s black? it has the same shape as the green one but smaller
02:25:44 alex wirz: black is 5ghz and green is 2.4
02:29:31 Mark Zeigler: What’s the scale measurement value? I got Floor 2 set as the wrong size
02:31:07 alex wirz: i think black is the minimum power level

373a Sesión de Tesos en Wi-Fi: WLANPros Wi-Fi Design [Sidos Systems, Intro]

373a Sesión de Tesos en Wi-Fi: WLANPros Wi-Fi Design [Sidos Systems, Intro]

The session focused on introducing and navigating the SIDOS Wi-Fi design and survey tool, following previous classes on Hamina. Ferney demonstrated how to handle multiple floor plans for complex buildings, such as warehouses with mezzanines, by importing and aligning separate images. The session covered the SIDOS interface, including uploading floor plans, setting scales and heights, and placing access points. Ferney compared SIDOS’s features with Hamina, noting that SIDOS excels in surveys but has a less intuitive design interface. The demonstration included visualizations like coverage and interference, and Ferney showcased the capabilities of the SIDOS Wave survey device. The session ended with a plan to continue exploring SIDOS’s design features in subsequent classes.

Chat Notes:

00:15:24 Ferney Muñoz: https://e8cel.share.hsforms.com/2v5ec-gRwSYevc9UynLUkqA
01:31:54 Mark Zeigler: How did you get the channel band graph to display on Sidos?
01:32:08 Glenn De Haes: click on a point on the map if you have an ap in there
01:33:44 Gjermund Raaen: In many menus in Sidos you get the channel map in the buttom when you click somewhere on the map
01:36:26 Ned Neece: According to ChatGPT, India uses channel 32 in some regulatory implementations.
01:38:21 Gjermund Raaen: The channel map look is fantastic in survey mode
01:38:34 Mark Zeigler: Would be nice to say “I’m in Canada setup the channels”
01:50:09 simon: neat…good visualization
01:52:19 Walid Abdelkader: OK.. Hamina Win So far ….:)
01:59:58 Glenn De Haes: FYI: I don’t have the AI detect and there doesn’t seem to be an ‘enabled beta features’
02:02:20 Glenn De Haes: It is shift in Windows instead of CTRL
02:04:43 Glenn De Haes: @simon you can just draw. Ferney has it since he has the AI option
02:06:47 Gjermund Raaen: Almost like the Aircheck G2 Ethernet tester. Fantastic
02:07:48 Mark Zeigler: PoE?
02:09:51 Gjermund Raaen: I used the APoS feature on a Costal Guard wessel some month ago
02:11:34 Mark Zeigler: I did not see the Draw / Detect AI button
02:12:10 Gjermund Raaen: Upvoted quetion “Is it possible to see how long the user account is valid?”
02:13:16 Zaur Nedashkovskiy: @Ferney Muñoz – idea: Pre-build objects for Hamina like chairs, tables, etc.
02:14:35 Guillermo Parra: can Sidos handheld create CSV files?
02:15:27 Mark Zeigler: Is Sidos Wave a one time buy or on-going license?

372a Sesión de Tesos en Wi-Fi WLANPros Wi-Fi Design [Hamina Wireless, Multi-floor, Stadiums]

372a Sesión de Tesos en Wi-Fi WLANPros Wi-Fi Design [Hamina Wireless, Multi-floor, Stadiums]

In Session 372a of Tesos en Wi-Fi WLANPros Wi-Fi Design, a technical demonstration of 3D predictive modeling and coverage validation was conducted using Hamina Wireless and Sidos. The class showcased advanced designs in multilevel industrial environments such as warehouses with mezzanines and fiber plants featuring over 80 APs as well as sports arenas with sloped seating, alongside real world field survey validations. Throughout these exercises, the instructors evaluated Wi-Fi signal propagation across 2.4, 5, and 6 GHz, RF attenuation through materials like concrete, brick, and metal structures, and audited live metrics including transmit power (14dBm), channel widths (40MHz), and RSSI levels against predictive simulations.

371a Sesión de Tesos en Wi-Fi: WLANPros Wi-Fi Design [Hamina Wireless, Stadiums]

371a Sesión de Tesos en Wi-Fi: WLANPros Wi-Fi Design [Hamina Wireless, Stadiums]

The session focused on using Hamina Wireless for Wi‑Fi design in a hockey arena, covering sloped floors, raised floors, walls, and attenuation objects. Ferney demonstrated scaling the floor plan, drawing sloped seating with stairs, and adding crowd attenuation. The group modeled dasher boards and protective glass, with Jerry explaining how to stack materials without replacing them by holding Shift. Walid and Johan shared tips for drawing raised floors and sloped areas efficiently. The session also included licensing setup, resource links, and a brief discussion on comparing Hamina and Ekahau for on‑site surveys.

Chat Notes:

00:12:03 Ferney Muñoz: https://robinwifi.eu/tools/hamina-objects/
00:12:55 Ferney Muñoz: https://ai-tools.teigenrf.org/
00:20:45 Guillermo Parra: NHL-standard ice hockey rink, the playing surface is: Length: 200 ft (60.96 m) Width: 85 ft (25.91 m) Ice area: 17,000 ft² (≈1,579m²)
00:49:21 Guillermo Parra: The barrier around a hockey rink is generally called the boards or dasher boards.
The transparent section above them is called the protective glass or shielding. So for a drawing or RF design, I would label it:
Hockey Rink Dasher Boards & Protective Glass
00:50:20 Guillermo Parra: ComponentᅠTypical HeightᅠMetric
Dasher boardsᅠ40–48 in (3.3–4 ft)ᅠ1.0–1.2 m
Protective glass – sidesᅠ5–6 ft above boardsᅠ1.5–1.8 m
Protective glass – ends/cornersᅠ6–8 ft above boardsᅠ1.8–2.4 m

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